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	<title>Comments on: Shanda, NetEase and The9 Account for 60% of China&#8217;s Online Gaming Market</title>
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		<title>By: Adrian Crook</title>
		<link>http://freetoplay.biz/2007/08/29/shanda-netease-and-the9-account-for-60-of-chinas-online-gaming-market/comment-page-1/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Crook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, Tencent is bigger than Google in China.

Looking forward to reading your analysis of Shanda&#039;s last quarter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, Tencent is bigger than Google in China.</p>
<p>Looking forward to reading your analysis of Shanda&#8217;s last quarter!</p>
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		<title>By: Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</title>
		<link>http://freetoplay.biz/2007/08/29/shanda-netease-and-the9-account-for-60-of-chinas-online-gaming-market/comment-page-1/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I didn&#039;t go into Tencent overall, just their gaming business.

I think they&#039;re bigger than Google in China... which means something. A lot of people don&#039;t know about their QQ message service outside of China, but it is a monster.

They don&#039;t get coverage here since they only have a small ADR listing, not a major listing like the other guys you mentioned.

(and I own their stock)

I am actually going to blog about Shanda&#039;s last quarter. There are some troubling indications if you look at the lower level numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I didn&#8217;t go into Tencent overall, just their gaming business.</p>
<p>I think they&#8217;re bigger than Google in China&#8230; which means something. A lot of people don&#8217;t know about their QQ message service outside of China, but it is a monster.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t get coverage here since they only have a small ADR listing, not a major listing like the other guys you mentioned.</p>
<p>(and I own their stock)</p>
<p>I am actually going to blog about Shanda&#8217;s last quarter. There are some troubling indications if you look at the lower level numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</title>
		<link>http://freetoplay.biz/2007/08/29/shanda-netease-and-the9-account-for-60-of-chinas-online-gaming-market/comment-page-1/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I didn&#039;t go into Tencent overall, just their gaming business.

I think they&#039;re bigger than Google in China... which means something. A lot of people don&#039;t know about their QQ message service outside of China, but it is a monster.

They don&#039;t get coverage here since they only have a small ADR listing, not a major listing like the other guys you mentioned.

(and I own their stock)

I am actually going to blog about Shanda&#039;s last quarter. There are some troubling indications if you look at the lower level numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I didn&#8217;t go into Tencent overall, just their gaming business.</p>
<p>I think they&#8217;re bigger than Google in China&#8230; which means something. A lot of people don&#8217;t know about their QQ message service outside of China, but it is a monster.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t get coverage here since they only have a small ADR listing, not a major listing like the other guys you mentioned.</p>
<p>(and I own their stock)</p>
<p>I am actually going to blog about Shanda&#8217;s last quarter. There are some troubling indications if you look at the lower level numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</title>
		<link>http://freetoplay.biz/2007/08/29/shanda-netease-and-the9-account-for-60-of-chinas-online-gaming-market/comment-page-1/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I didn&#039;t go into Tencent overall, just their gaming business.

I think they&#039;re bigger than Google in China... which means something. A lot of people don&#039;t know about their QQ message service outside of China, but it is a monster.

They don&#039;t get coverage here since they only have a small ADR listing, not a major listing like the other guys you mentioned.

(and I own their stock)

I am actually going to blog about Shanda&#039;s last quarter. There are some troubling indications if you look at the lower level numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I didn&#8217;t go into Tencent overall, just their gaming business.</p>
<p>I think they&#8217;re bigger than Google in China&#8230; which means something. A lot of people don&#8217;t know about their QQ message service outside of China, but it is a monster.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t get coverage here since they only have a small ADR listing, not a major listing like the other guys you mentioned.</p>
<p>(and I own their stock)</p>
<p>I am actually going to blog about Shanda&#8217;s last quarter. There are some troubling indications if you look at the lower level numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</title>
		<link>http://freetoplay.biz/2007/08/29/shanda-netease-and-the9-account-for-60-of-chinas-online-gaming-market/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I didn&#039;t go into Tencent overall, just their gaming business.

I think they&#039;re bigger than Google in China... which means something. A lot of people don&#039;t know about their QQ message service outside of China, but it is a monster.

They don&#039;t get coverage here since they only have a small ADR listing, not a major listing like the other guys you mentioned.

(and I own their stock)

I am actually going to blog about Shanda&#039;s last quarter. There are some troubling indications if you look at the lower level numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I didn&#8217;t go into Tencent overall, just their gaming business.</p>
<p>I think they&#8217;re bigger than Google in China&#8230; which means something. A lot of people don&#8217;t know about their QQ message service outside of China, but it is a monster.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t get coverage here since they only have a small ADR listing, not a major listing like the other guys you mentioned.</p>
<p>(and I own their stock)</p>
<p>I am actually going to blog about Shanda&#8217;s last quarter. There are some troubling indications if you look at the lower level numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Crook</title>
		<link>http://freetoplay.biz/2007/08/29/shanda-netease-and-the9-account-for-60-of-chinas-online-gaming-market/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Crook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good call, Steven. Thanks for the comment.

Tencent is a huge player, of course. Some quick stats on Tencent from my previously posted Virtual Goods Summit notes:

- 4000 employees, 30% of whom are in R&amp;D
- 65% of Tencent revenue is from virtual goods
- $9-10M in revenue per quarter from ads
- Tencent&#039;s QQ.com portal is #1 in traffic in China
- Tencent&#039;s QQ IM is the #1 IM client in China with 250M active users
- Tencent&#039;s QQ game portal is the #1 portal in China with 3.2M PCU
- Tencent&#039;s Qzone is the #1 blog site in China with 62M active users</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good call, Steven. Thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>Tencent is a huge player, of course. Some quick stats on Tencent from my previously posted Virtual Goods Summit notes:</p>
<p>- 4000 employees, 30% of whom are in R&amp;D<br />
- 65% of Tencent revenue is from virtual goods<br />
- $9-10M in revenue per quarter from ads<br />
- Tencent&#8217;s QQ.com portal is #1 in traffic in China<br />
- Tencent&#8217;s QQ IM is the #1 IM client in China with 250M active users<br />
- Tencent&#8217;s QQ game portal is the #1 portal in China with 3.2M PCU<br />
- Tencent&#8217;s Qzone is the #1 blog site in China with 62M active users</p>
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		<title>By: Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</title>
		<link>http://freetoplay.biz/2007/08/29/shanda-netease-and-the9-account-for-60-of-chinas-online-gaming-market/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget Tencent - they made $20 million in the last quarter from gaming (a lot of casual games), and $116 million overall. There are a lot of other players involved who are not US-listed (and hence get no attention here).

Also, those revenues are up from last year, they are up only 6% over the last quarter... and the revenue per paying players dropped 1.6%... not so good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget Tencent &#8211; they made $20 million in the last quarter from gaming (a lot of casual games), and $116 million overall. There are a lot of other players involved who are not US-listed (and hence get no attention here).</p>
<p>Also, those revenues are up from last year, they are up only 6% over the last quarter&#8230; and the revenue per paying players dropped 1.6%&#8230; not so good.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</title>
		<link>http://freetoplay.biz/2007/08/29/shanda-netease-and-the9-account-for-60-of-chinas-online-gaming-market/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget Tencent - they made $20 million in the last quarter from gaming (a lot of casual games), and $116 million overall. There are a lot of other players involved who are not US-listed (and hence get no attention here).

Also, those revenues are up from last year, they are up only 6% over the last quarter... and the revenue per paying players dropped 1.6%... not so good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget Tencent &#8211; they made $20 million in the last quarter from gaming (a lot of casual games), and $116 million overall. There are a lot of other players involved who are not US-listed (and hence get no attention here).</p>
<p>Also, those revenues are up from last year, they are up only 6% over the last quarter&#8230; and the revenue per paying players dropped 1.6%&#8230; not so good.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</title>
		<link>http://freetoplay.biz/2007/08/29/shanda-netease-and-the9-account-for-60-of-chinas-online-gaming-market/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget Tencent - they made $20 million in the last quarter from gaming (a lot of casual games), and $116 million overall. There are a lot of other players involved who are not US-listed (and hence get no attention here).

Also, those revenues are up from last year, they are up only 6% over the last quarter... and the revenue per paying players dropped 1.6%... not so good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget Tencent &#8211; they made $20 million in the last quarter from gaming (a lot of casual games), and $116 million overall. There are a lot of other players involved who are not US-listed (and hence get no attention here).</p>
<p>Also, those revenues are up from last year, they are up only 6% over the last quarter&#8230; and the revenue per paying players dropped 1.6%&#8230; not so good.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</title>
		<link>http://freetoplay.biz/2007/08/29/shanda-netease-and-the9-account-for-60-of-chinas-online-gaming-market/comment-page-1/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget Tencent - they made $20 million in the last quarter from gaming (a lot of casual games), and $116 million overall. There are a lot of other players involved who are not US-listed (and hence get no attention here).

Also, those revenues are up from last year, they are up only 6% over the last quarter... and the revenue per paying players dropped 1.6%... not so good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget Tencent &#8211; they made $20 million in the last quarter from gaming (a lot of casual games), and $116 million overall. There are a lot of other players involved who are not US-listed (and hence get no attention here).</p>
<p>Also, those revenues are up from last year, they are up only 6% over the last quarter&#8230; and the revenue per paying players dropped 1.6%&#8230; not so good.</p>
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